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	<title>Comments on: The Business Rusch: Careers, Critics, and Professors</title>
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		<title>By: J. A.. Huss</title>
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		<dc:creator>J. A.. Huss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jul 2012 20:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am so glad I never took a writing class beyond &quot;Writing the Research Paper&quot; in college. I&#039;m one of those scientists who writes science fiction and in undergrad I majored in what some might call a useless major (equine science). But I tell ya, I work in animal science to this day and they absolutely did teach us how to make money with our degree.  Some students (not me, I was a single parent) went all over the world doing internships and we had years of practicums - whether it was on the feed truck at 5AM, in the stallion barn, or birthing foals in the spring. It was more than 50% hands on work.

I started my writing career in non-fiction and I did exactly what you guys are telling fiction writers to do here - I wrote like a mad woman!  I published something every week for more than two years and now that little business is thriving, which gave me time to write three novels this year.

So I agree - I make money as a non-fiction writer because I have so many titles it&#039;s hard not to purchase something from my store! :)

My three fiction books will all come out at the same time (October) so I can make a big splash at all once. And while I will promote for a couple months, I&#039;m already writing the fourth book in that series and it will be out early next spring, with the fifth and final in that series to follow in the fall. 

And then?  Why, I&#039;ll start another series and do it all again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so glad I never took a writing class beyond &#8220;Writing the Research Paper&#8221; in college. I&#8217;m one of those scientists who writes science fiction and in undergrad I majored in what some might call a useless major (equine science). But I tell ya, I work in animal science to this day and they absolutely did teach us how to make money with our degree.  Some students (not me, I was a single parent) went all over the world doing internships and we had years of practicums &#8211; whether it was on the feed truck at 5AM, in the stallion barn, or birthing foals in the spring. It was more than 50% hands on work.</p>
<p>I started my writing career in non-fiction and I did exactly what you guys are telling fiction writers to do here &#8211; I wrote like a mad woman!  I published something every week for more than two years and now that little business is thriving, which gave me time to write three novels this year.</p>
<p>So I agree &#8211; I make money as a non-fiction writer because I have so many titles it&#8217;s hard not to purchase something from my store! <img src='http://kriswrites.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My three fiction books will all come out at the same time (October) so I can make a big splash at all once. And while I will promote for a couple months, I&#8217;m already writing the fourth book in that series and it will be out early next spring, with the fifth and final in that series to follow in the fall. </p>
<p>And then?  Why, I&#8217;ll start another series and do it all again.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Vavpotic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Martin Vavpotic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After reading this, all I can say is: the situation is worse in my country. Here, writers of genre are very close to being criminals because artistic writers have a total monopoly over the publishing market. I would call it an evil empire but honestly they only have power because they believe they have power. Wait; they &lt;i&gt;are&lt;/i&gt; an evil empire.

I&#039;ve never been to a creative writing workshop. Why? Because none exist in my country. No, wait, I&#039;m lying. Workshops exist for a couple of years now because even &quot;real writers&quot; ran out of income due to the ungrateful economy and an even more ungrateful audience who refuses to buy their golden works. But I&#039;ve been to a reading of works created in such a workshop. Can&#039;t say they were bad but they certainly didn&#039;t hook my interest. Of course, this was all &quot;real literature&quot;. Whenever the word &quot;genre&quot; is mentioned, it&#039;s usually accompanied by a snicker or a laugh.

I think writers could make good use of the mentoring system, of course if the master writer wouldn&#039;t try to create a younger version of him/herself. I think the ancient way of schooling was very healthy way, one tutor to two or three students at maximum. The modern way - one teacher to 30 students - is unfair to everyone. Those who need help don&#039;t get enough of it and those that are ahead of the class get pulled back to be slow. I&#039;ve experienced that; I felt the ruler on my head, pushing me down, trying to make me more like the rest. Hell, I&#039;ve been raised in an atheist family, living in a Church controlled area. I could talk for hours what happens to children who refuse to go to sunday school. Honestly, sometimes I can&#039;t believe I survived. I can relate quite easily to what you&#039;re saying, Kris.

And I love to screw with them. All their effort has only spawned their worst nighmare: me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this, all I can say is: the situation is worse in my country. Here, writers of genre are very close to being criminals because artistic writers have a total monopoly over the publishing market. I would call it an evil empire but honestly they only have power because they believe they have power. Wait; they <i>are</i> an evil empire.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve never been to a creative writing workshop. Why? Because none exist in my country. No, wait, I&#8217;m lying. Workshops exist for a couple of years now because even &#8220;real writers&#8221; ran out of income due to the ungrateful economy and an even more ungrateful audience who refuses to buy their golden works. But I&#8217;ve been to a reading of works created in such a workshop. Can&#8217;t say they were bad but they certainly didn&#8217;t hook my interest. Of course, this was all &#8220;real literature&#8221;. Whenever the word &#8220;genre&#8221; is mentioned, it&#8217;s usually accompanied by a snicker or a laugh.</p>
<p>I think writers could make good use of the mentoring system, of course if the master writer wouldn&#8217;t try to create a younger version of him/herself. I think the ancient way of schooling was very healthy way, one tutor to two or three students at maximum. The modern way &#8211; one teacher to 30 students &#8211; is unfair to everyone. Those who need help don&#8217;t get enough of it and those that are ahead of the class get pulled back to be slow. I&#8217;ve experienced that; I felt the ruler on my head, pushing me down, trying to make me more like the rest. Hell, I&#8217;ve been raised in an atheist family, living in a Church controlled area. I could talk for hours what happens to children who refuse to go to sunday school. Honestly, sometimes I can&#8217;t believe I survived. I can relate quite easily to what you&#8217;re saying, Kris.</p>
<p>And I love to screw with them. All their effort has only spawned their worst nighmare: me.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine Kathryn Rusch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine Kathryn Rusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 23:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sounds like you have the right attitude going in, Raven. I certainly hope that more like you come into the profession and help students with their potential writing careers. 

Thank you for the post!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like you have the right attitude going in, Raven. I certainly hope that more like you come into the profession and help students with their potential writing careers. </p>
<p>Thank you for the post!</p>
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		<title>By: Raven</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 21:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t know quite how to respond to this.  I&#039;m a writer, but not yet professional, and I&#039;m a teacher.  As Nathan said, there are two different skill-sets, and perhaps more importantly, two different passions.  I also think it&#039;s wrong to completely bash whole professions.  Just because you had a bad experience with a particular doctor doesn&#039;t mean you blame the whole profession of doctors.  Why do people feel the need to do that with teachers?

As a writer, I&#039;ve been thinking a lot about what Kris and Dean have to say.  There are times when I want to try something different, but overall, I agree with them.  In particular, I think that the best way to &quot;promote&quot; writing is to write a lot.  I&#039;m not entirely sold on not revising (in one of Dean&#039;s posts) or on avoiding workshops altogether, but I do agree that ever since I&#039;ve started responding to other writers as a reader rather than a critiquer both my reviews and my own writing have improved.  I also like Dean&#039;s idea of using workshops to see what other writers are doing right so that you can learn from their techniques.

So, that leads me to teaching.  I am going to start teaching this coming Monday -- it is my first year outside of student teaching, and I&#039;m feeling a little overwhelmed and deer-in-headlights (I got the job and have been training for 2 weeks since then, so I haven&#039;t really had a lot of time to actually spend on my classes).  One of my classes is Creative Writing.  I plan to focus less on trying to &quot;improve&quot; works and focus more on quantity of writing.  There will be workshops, but I&#039;m going to make sure they are responding to each other as readers, not critics, and that although they should be specific about their comments, they shouldn&#039;t go out of their way to &quot;find&quot; or &quot;fix&quot; mistakes (unless we&#039;re specifically working on grammar, which is a completely different thing), and to try to learn something from the other person&#039;s writing that they can apply to theirs.

Anyway, I guess what I&#039;m saying is that I&#039;ve been straddling these two worlds for some time, and it does sadden me that many English teachers have no idea how writing works outside of academia.  Academic writing is one sort of writing, and if you want to go in that direction, it is a skill you might need.  For all the students who just want a Liberal Arts degree, that&#039;s probably all they need.  But there doesn&#039;t seem to be much support for other types of writing, aside from journalism.  I may be only one person, and I might only have 21 students, but I&#039;m hoping to change that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know quite how to respond to this.  I&#8217;m a writer, but not yet professional, and I&#8217;m a teacher.  As Nathan said, there are two different skill-sets, and perhaps more importantly, two different passions.  I also think it&#8217;s wrong to completely bash whole professions.  Just because you had a bad experience with a particular doctor doesn&#8217;t mean you blame the whole profession of doctors.  Why do people feel the need to do that with teachers?</p>
<p>As a writer, I&#8217;ve been thinking a lot about what Kris and Dean have to say.  There are times when I want to try something different, but overall, I agree with them.  In particular, I think that the best way to &#8220;promote&#8221; writing is to write a lot.  I&#8217;m not entirely sold on not revising (in one of Dean&#8217;s posts) or on avoiding workshops altogether, but I do agree that ever since I&#8217;ve started responding to other writers as a reader rather than a critiquer both my reviews and my own writing have improved.  I also like Dean&#8217;s idea of using workshops to see what other writers are doing right so that you can learn from their techniques.</p>
<p>So, that leads me to teaching.  I am going to start teaching this coming Monday &#8212; it is my first year outside of student teaching, and I&#8217;m feeling a little overwhelmed and deer-in-headlights (I got the job and have been training for 2 weeks since then, so I haven&#8217;t really had a lot of time to actually spend on my classes).  One of my classes is Creative Writing.  I plan to focus less on trying to &#8220;improve&#8221; works and focus more on quantity of writing.  There will be workshops, but I&#8217;m going to make sure they are responding to each other as readers, not critics, and that although they should be specific about their comments, they shouldn&#8217;t go out of their way to &#8220;find&#8221; or &#8220;fix&#8221; mistakes (unless we&#8217;re specifically working on grammar, which is a completely different thing), and to try to learn something from the other person&#8217;s writing that they can apply to theirs.</p>
<p>Anyway, I guess what I&#8217;m saying is that I&#8217;ve been straddling these two worlds for some time, and it does sadden me that many English teachers have no idea how writing works outside of academia.  Academic writing is one sort of writing, and if you want to go in that direction, it is a skill you might need.  For all the students who just want a Liberal Arts degree, that&#8217;s probably all they need.  But there doesn&#8217;t seem to be much support for other types of writing, aside from journalism.  I may be only one person, and I might only have 21 students, but I&#8217;m hoping to change that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristine Kathryn Rusch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristine Kathryn Rusch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 19:11:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I loooove that book. I&#039;d forgotten that Zinsser said that. He wrote some marvelous books on writing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I loooove that book. I&#8217;d forgotten that Zinsser said that. He wrote some marvelous books on writing.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Pfeifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Pfeifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jul 2012 17:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Though it may be more targeted to non-fiction, I found Zinsser&#039;s Writing to Learn to be quite illuminating in helping understand your point about why so many good writers come from other fields.  I have no personal (good) experience with Creative Writing programs, so found this discussion fascinating.  Thanks again.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Though it may be more targeted to non-fiction, I found Zinsser&#8217;s Writing to Learn to be quite illuminating in helping understand your point about why so many good writers come from other fields.  I have no personal (good) experience with Creative Writing programs, so found this discussion fascinating.  Thanks again.</p>
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		<title>By: Pen Clements</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pen Clements</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 00:02:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think you have hit the nail on the head by pointing out the difference between &#039;my&#039; novel (the one, the only, the perfect, the crafted) and &#039;a&#039; novel. The one I&#039;m working on right now, the one of many.

It kind of reminds me of first time pregnancies. There&#039;s this huge focus on preparing for the birth, gearing up to the big event and so on. What those women don&#039;t know is that it will all seem like a fragment in time when it comes to the long haul of actually raising a child. That&#039;s the stuff where you&#039;re really tested.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think you have hit the nail on the head by pointing out the difference between &#8216;my&#8217; novel (the one, the only, the perfect, the crafted) and &#8216;a&#8217; novel. The one I&#8217;m working on right now, the one of many.</p>
<p>It kind of reminds me of first time pregnancies. There&#8217;s this huge focus on preparing for the birth, gearing up to the big event and so on. What those women don&#8217;t know is that it will all seem like a fragment in time when it comes to the long haul of actually raising a child. That&#8217;s the stuff where you&#8217;re really tested.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Abbey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Abbey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 19:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[For some reason, this made me think of John Brunner. Four of his books are considered classics (y&#039;all know which ones), and I doubt there are many who know he wrote over 120 books.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason, this made me think of John Brunner. Four of his books are considered classics (y&#8217;all know which ones), and I doubt there are many who know he wrote over 120 books.</p>
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		<title>By: Diane Lynn Tibert McGyver</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane Lynn Tibert McGyver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Jul 2012 00:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This tearing apart of stories happens long before University. I started it in grade six, and I hated it. By the time I reached grade twelve, I had lost the love of reading. My daughter started disecting stories about two years ago. She was a girl who always had a book in her hands; now, she reads only if she has to for class and complains throughout the entire process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This tearing apart of stories happens long before University. I started it in grade six, and I hated it. By the time I reached grade twelve, I had lost the love of reading. My daughter started disecting stories about two years ago. She was a girl who always had a book in her hands; now, she reads only if she has to for class and complains throughout the entire process.</p>
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		<title>By: David Alastair Hayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Alastair Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Jul 2012 01:22:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I did Creative Writing and it took about four years to undo the damage (snobbery) caused by it. One class, with a guy who was supposed to be a good teacher, taught me that he didn&#039;t know anything about writing really. Someone asked him about story, not nuts and bolts, and he was flummoxed. My poetry professor was a brilliant poet and teacher, so I specialized in poetry, figuring I could learn a lot about writing from him. And I did learn lots of nuts and bolts stuff. I had to learn storytelling from myth courses in my Religious Studies major, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I did Creative Writing and it took about four years to undo the damage (snobbery) caused by it. One class, with a guy who was supposed to be a good teacher, taught me that he didn&#8217;t know anything about writing really. Someone asked him about story, not nuts and bolts, and he was flummoxed. My poetry professor was a brilliant poet and teacher, so I specialized in poetry, figuring I could learn a lot about writing from him. And I did learn lots of nuts and bolts stuff. I had to learn storytelling from myth courses in my Religious Studies major, of course.</p>
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