Business Musings: Newsletters and Discoverability

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I promised in the comments of last week’s blog that I’d write about newsletters. Except for mentions and brief discussion in blogs on other topics, I really haven’t discussed newsletters much. In my book Discoverability, I list newsletters as one of the minimal things a writer should do (in addition to a static website and a book publication list) so that readers can find the work.

I have often thought about writing a blog on newsletters, but something kept stopping me. Finally, as I answered a comment when last week’s blog went live on Patreon, I started to get a glimmer of what has nagged me all along. Thanks to T. Thorn Coyle for her prodding (some of which you can see in last week’s comments), which got me thinking even harder.

Newsletters Before 2011

Writers have had newsletters long before email newsletter services came into being, long before the internet came into being. The indefatigable Debbie Macomber has done a newsletter for more than twenty years, and she has used it to great advantage. She used a lot of strategies that helped her hit the bestseller list, but also kept her readers loyal.

A May 2010 article on the blog lists three reasons why Debbie Macomber is a bestseller, and they all have to do with her newsletter.  Please note that the post got published just as the indie world was starting to take off. Debbie’s still traditionally published, so she was doing all of this stuff before Constant Contact and MailChimp.

She wrote, printed, and snail-mailed a newsletter. This article looks at a later iteration of Debbie’s newsletter, but when she started, she couldn’t afford to be quite as fancy. I’ve heard her speak on the way she cultivated her fans to help her success. (The speech I heard was in the early part of this century).

The three things the 2010 newsletter had were:

  1. Coupons for upcoming books
  2. Stickers and bookmarks with her 2010 releases listed on them
  3. Folksy news of Debbie, along with recipes and tips

The coupons and stickers weren’t in the newsletter. They were with the newsletter, in the same envelope. Here’s what the BookPage blogger said about the coupons:

Here’s the smart part: they’re only valid during the first week of a book’s release, when sales are especially crucial.

Go back to last week’s blog on bestseller lists, and you’ll understand just how brilliant this move is. It mobilized all of Debbie’s hardcore readers all over the country to buy a book at a discount at the same time.

Debbie would have had to do the coupons in coordination with her publisher, not something she could have done as a newer writer. But by the time 2010 rolled around, she had a lot of clout, so yes, it was possible to do such things.

But in her newsletters, she hasn’t just offer coupons to her fans. She’s done all kinds of promotions. Debbie has been the queen of sharing and promotions as long as she’s published. She published her first novel in 1983. I don’t know for a fact whether or not she started doing newsletters then, but I do know that she’s been an innovative promoter since the early 1990s. A lot of the things you see romance writers do for promotion were ideas that Debbie had first and did better.

She’s still doing newsletters, innovative promotions, and incredible reader interaction. You can see all of her recent newsletters here.

I’ll be honest. I look at everything Debbie’s done or doing or plans to do, and I get instantly tired. I know how brilliant her promotions are. I know how much work she did from the very start to create this bond with her readers. She’s amazing.

What you need to know about her is that she does not cynically cultivate these connections. She enjoys them, and does them really well. There’s a reason her newsletters resemble the chatty letters that my aunt used to send me.

First, Debbie is that chatty, driven, organized person. Second, the newsletters reflect the kinds of books she writes, the books that appeal to her readers. And third, I’ll bet she can’t imagine doing this work any other way.

When I first saw what she was doing, and the brilliance of it, I briefly toyed with doing the same thing. But I’m not that person. I always planned to write a holiday newsletter for my family and never got around to it. (My parents used to write one every year, and my sisters still do.) I am not the cheery, chatty, connective type.

(Right now, a whole group of my friends and acquaintances just did a spit-take, because they know what an understatement that is.)

One of my closest friends, Kevin J. Anderson, started a newsletter sometime in the early 1990s. The newsletter’s still going strong, both as an email newsletter and as a few-times-per-year paper one.

The focus of Kevin’s newsletter is a little different than Debbie’s. Technically, a friend of Kevin’s started a fan club for him, and she writes the newsletter, with information he provides. When the newsletter’s in paper, it’s a beautifully designed four-page flyer with news about Kevin and his co-authors, where he’ll be signing books, and what books are being released when. The newsletter contains appearance information for the next several months, so readers know when and where they can either hear Kevin speak or get him to sign books or both.

The paper newsletters often go out around the holiday season and have, for many years, included a calendar. The calendar features photographs from Kevin’s hikes (he’s an avid hiker) and often (although not always) lists the release dates for his books.

He occasionally uses the newsletter for special promotions. Mostly, though, the newsletter (especially the email version) is informational.

Both Kevin and Debbie acquired each newsletter subscriber slowly, one reader at a time. Because both Kevin and Debbie were traditionally published when they started their newsletters, they couldn’t put newsletter information in the back of their books.

These sign-ups often came from word of mouth or at appearances. Once Kevin and Debbie started their websites, they had newsletter sign-ups on the site.

The newsletters served the same purpose for both writers:

The newsletters let fans know about upcoming releases. Every newsletter Debbie and Kevin release assumes that the people who get the newsletter are familiar with the author’s work, like the author’s work, and want more of the author’s work.

Keep that in mind.

Kevin and Debbie are unusual. A lot of us knew what they were doing. I envied their organization and drive, but could never get myself to do the newsletter. Besides, doing a newsletter before Constant Contact became ubiquitous (somewhere around 2005) [link], was costly.

At minimum, you had the cost of paper, envelopes, and postage—not counting the time it took to stamp and address everything. After the early newsletters, neither Debbie nor Kevin used their home printers to make the newsletters. They had the newsletters—and accompanying material (in Debbie’s case)—professionally printed.

I have no idea how big their newsletters are now. I suspect Debbie’s is in the hundreds of thousands of reader subscribers. Kevin might not know, since his is still run by the fan organization. I suspect his is large as well, given the cross promotion he occasionally does with the band Rush for their joint book projects.

What Kevin and Debbie do is what I think of as a newsletter.

And therein we find the basis of the problem I’ve been having whenever indies describe “getting names” for their newsletter.

As I said last week, I would rather have 1,000 true fans on my newsletter than 50,000 names that signed up for a free book. The problem isn’t the sentiment. It’s the word newsletter.

The Function of Newsletters

All newsletters—from Debbie’s to Kevin’s to some brand new indie writer’s—are advertising.

And like all advertising, the person who is writing the ad copy needs to know where the ad is going.

If you are trying to use your newsletter to get it in front of people who have never read your book, you’re using the newsletter for a different purpose than Kevin and Debbie do.

To put this in better marketing terms: when you’re using the newsletter to attract new readers, what you’re actually doing is some kind of ad flyer. Or, if you’re a good writer (and I’m assuming all of you are), you’re producing an advertising circular.

Advertising circulars are newspapers that sell ads. Advertising circulars often have content as well, so that people read the content and glance at the ads on each page.

Back in the day, a lot of ad circulars with good content became weekly alternative newspapers of rather high quality. In the last decade, as small rural newspapers have declined, they became ad circulars with a bit of content.

What goes around comes around, I guess.

Offering free books, going to other sites to get names to put on the newsletter, those are marketing gimmicks, things that publications do to boost the publication’s circulation.

It’s an effective way to work, particularly when the list you’ve bought (or bought into) is targeted to your product or interests. You get new names of unknown people onto your list.

A percentage of those people will then sample your free content. A smaller percentage of them will like what they see and buy some of your content. An even smaller percentage will then become fans of your work.

Doing things this way has become the new “free.” Writers are sharing lists, they’re sharing ways to boost their newsletter sign-ups, and they’re sharing methods of getting new names.

Some writers who are a bit more savvy about this stuff recommend isolating the new names from the rest of your mailing list as segment, emailing a newsletter to that segment with some additional free content, and seeing who opens, reads, interacts.

Which is good if the tracking software is good. (See the comments on my post Data Diving for the ways that can go wrong.) Eventually, the writer will have new names for the mailing list—and with luck, those names become fans who then buy books.

The Problem With Writer Newsletters 2017

As far as I can tell, no one who goes the ad circular route talks about the content of the newsletter. They talk about the freebies and how to leverage them. They talk about how to maintain and manage the list, but they don’t talk about the most important part of any ad campaign.

How to communicate.

It’s all about audience, baby.

If your newsletter is for your constant readers (to use Stephen King’s term), then your newsletter will have information a regular reader wants.

That information includes:

  1. When the next book is coming out
  2. Where you’ll be appearing to sign books or to give a presentation
  3. Special perks

The newsletter for possible readers, which I am going to call the ad circular only for clarity’s sake (not as a judgment because, again, I think it’s a valid way to go), also includes that same information.

  1. When the next book is coming out
  2. Where you’ll be appearing to sign books or to give a presentation
  3. Special perks

But…this is where the content varies.

The old-school newsletter will then have chatty commentary. For Kevin’s newsletter, that includes where he hiked while writing certain novels, inspiration he found in other places, some of the fun trips he’s been on that weren’t writing related.

In Debbie’s case, she often discusses her family or what she’s knitted recently (seriously) or recipes that she loves. One newsletter on her site includes her wedding photo.

These newsletters assume the readers will want to know these personal things about the writer. I’ve seen newsletters that discuss upcoming books which will feature favorite side characters or include some material that was excised from a novel but isn’t a standalone story.

These are things that fans and long-time readers are interested in, but that people browsing the bookshelf for their next read have no patience for.

The ad circular newsletter will have (or should have) basic information. Where can the reader find more books by this author? What order should the books be read in?

The ad circular should be shorter and to the point. But it should also have a lot of voice in the body copy so that the potential book buyer actually reads the newsletter rather than deleting it.

It’s a trick to write that kind of copy, especially on a monthly or quarterly basis.

Once the reader buys a book, then there’s still no guarantee that reader is a fan. They still might not want the chatty recipe-and-hiking laden newsletter.

But so many writers transition the newbies to that chatty old-school newsletter right away. And the attrition rate grows.

Kevin and Debbie use their newsletters like hip-hop artists used street teams in the 1990s. These teams would go out and do one-on-one market for the artist in question. They got perks—t-shirts, free CDs, something grand—for their effort.

But Kevin and Debbie never saw the work that the fan did. They saw the results of the work. And, to be frank, I’m not sure either writer ever thought of their fans as potential marketers. I’m pretty sure that’s just the result of those chatty newsletters.

The ad circulars, though, are introductory. They’re being used as brand discoverability. Don’t know who Suzy Q is as a writer? Well, here’s a sample of what she’s doing. See if you like it.

The ad circular is a first step toward getting a reader.

The old-school newsletter already has the reader and is, for lack of a better term, weaponizing that reader.

When you design your newsletter, pick which audience you’re gearing it to. Then don’t change midstream. So if you start your newsletter as an ad circular, keep it an ad circular. (Maybe devise a secondary newsletter for longer-term fans.)

If you started your newsletter as an old-school newsletter for fans only, then keep it that way. (Maybe delve into the newer way of doing things with a different newsletter.)

Remember who you’re writing for, and design your newsletter accordingly.

Well, Duh

It has taken me forever to understand why I was deeply uncomfortable every single time someone asked me to participate in a grow-your-newsletter campaign. I did one, a few years ago, and it grew my newsletter. Fortunately, less than 1% of the new names dropped off the list. But I’ll be honest, it was a deliberately tiny experiment, and I did the experiment wrong.

I wasn’t thinking ad circular. I was confused by it all, trying to see how it worked, and I didn’t target the audience right at all.

So I stopped.

I’d been working intuitively—which is something I do often. I was instinctively groping toward an old-school newsletter. Or rather, old-school newsletters.

If you scroll to the bottom of this page, you’ll see several newsletters. My overall newsletter is at the very top of the page, but the other newsletters at the bottom are for different series.

Since I write in so many genres, I figured some readers wouldn’t want to know everything I did. Those readers would only be interested in the Retrieval Artist series or the Kris Nelscott books or the goofy Grayson novels. I wanted to have a place where those readers could gather, and get the news that pertains to them.

Those newsletters have a much smaller subscriber base than the overall Rusch newsletter. But I get a lot more questions from the other newsletters, which are only active when I have a new project in that series or under that name. I also talk about things that matter only to the readers of the series, not to someone I’m trying to entice into the series.

I try to do the Rusch overall newsletter regularly, although I suck at monthly.

But I’m still thinking about ad circulars too. I’ve talked WMG Publishing into experimenting with some of the new newsletter tricks to get a lot of subscribers to the newsletter. I’m happier when WMG does it rather than me, partly because of something I wrote in an email last week.

When I promote the newsletter, I feel like a marketer. When I write an old-school newsletter, I feel like a writer communicating with readers. Obviously, I prefer the second one.

If that means I don’t have 50,000 newsletter subscribers like some newer writers do, that’s okay. The people who’ve signed onto my newsletters want to get them. My unsubscribe rate is astonishingly low.

I do have to say, though, that digging through Debbie’s old newsletters has had the same effect on me that it always has. First, I feel completely inadequate. Then I feel like I’d better hurry to catch up on all the nifty things she’s already pioneered. Finally, I crawl into my office and get back to the work in progress.

I don’t feel overwhelmed when I think about fiction writing. I feel completely overwhelmed when I focus on the “shoulds” of marketing.

After all, I’m a writer, not a marketer. (Cue the Dr. McCoy voice: Jim, I’m a writer, not a damned marketer.) I do want more readers, but I’m willing to get them through word of mouth, one reader at a time.

That said, I do have newsletter sign-ups at the back of my books—or at least, the books I’ve published since 2015 or so. (We’re slowly adding that page to the older books as we update the interiors from their ancient beginnings.) And I’m pretty sure I get a lot of subscribers that way.

Only I don’t dig into the data to find out. I’m guessing. Because…I’d rather be writing. And life is much too short to do anything else.

I do want to say thank you, though, to everyone who talked to me about newsletters this week. You really helped me crystalize my thoughts. I was finally able to put my finger on what’s been bothering me about the changing face of newsletters, and more importantly for me, how to apply a newsletter properly to my own writing business.

Thank you!

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“Business Musings: Newsletters and Discoverability,” copyright © 2017 by Kristine Kathryn Rusch. Image at the top of the blog copyright © Can Stock Photo / HaywireMedia


22 thoughts on “Business Musings: Newsletters and Discoverability

  1. “I don’t feel overwhelmed when I think about fiction writing. I feel completely overwhelmed when I focus on the “shoulds” of marketing.” You have no idea how comforting it was to me when I read this.

  2. Newsletters didn’t pass my WIBBOW test, so I’ve found a workaround solution. My blog consists of weekly announcements of my latest fiction (I release fiction weekly), plus a once-a-month post of what I’ve been up to, i.e. chatty stuff. Rather than spend time compiling a separate newsletter that would have the same information, I added my blog feed to Google’s Feedburner so that readers can sign up to receive my posts by email.

  3. You and Kristen Lamb seem to be kind of tracking each other this week; she just did a post about marketing that hit on newsletters, and she’s got a class coming up with Jack Patterson. I’m still in the low subscription numbers right now, but I’ve only sent out 4 newsletters in 2 years, so that’s hardly surprising. I also don’t have much in the way of a subscription carrot – just an excerpt from one of the books. She seems to be talking more about the ad-circular, but points out that without relationships (which you’d get from the chatty BOB newsletter), you’re not going to have much success, so it sounds like she’s making much the same point as you are.

    Now that I’m finishing school and hitting the writing harder next month, I plan on cranking out more short stories, because I just found out I kind of like writing them. I’m also planning on putting the newsletters out more often.

    Greatly appreciate the business stuff here!

  4. Wow! I learned so much from reading your blog! I don’t have a newsletter yet, but plan on starting one once I have more books available. I did check out Debbie Macromber’s newsletters, and really liked her personal touch. Most newsletters that I’ve signed up for and then unsubscribed have been pretty much sales pitch type newsletters. To me it is much more interesting to read about the author, and maybe a small push for a new book. Great Blog Post!

  5. I often think about doing a separate newsletter via Instafreebie or whatever to snag the freebie hunters and see if I can turn some of them into buyers, even if all they will ever grab are the on-sale books, but I keep not getting around to it. I do well with the “real” newsletter, which people don’t even find out about unless they finish one of my books. I do give away a short story or a prequel novella to those who sign up to make it enticing, but they’re already readers (and buyers) at that point, and I’m happy to give them goodies.

    I see a lot of authors now talking about their lists of 20,000 or more people, but they’re not selling many books, so is it really helping? You can launch a book into the Top 200 on Amazon with a list of 500 passionate readers who buy all your stuff or waffle in obscurity with 20,000 people who only signed up to get something for free.

    1. Lindsay, as a fan of your books for several years now, I really like receiving your newsletter…and was planning on modeling my own on yours!

  6. So glad you clarified your thinking and shared it. I’m launching a newsletter soon and this post will be helpful in writing it and explaining the goals for it to the team. I don’t think I’ve seen anyone in publishing or even in content marketing discuss fan newsletter readers versus new readers who are not yet fans. Thank you!

  7. The only newsletter I hang onto is one where because I’m one of this writer’s first 1000 subscribers, she gives me a 50% off coupon for each new release as it comes out. Since she’s an auto-buy, anyway, it’s only practical.

    I have a newsletter for my own writing efforts, through MailChimp, that theoretically has several hundred subscribers, but most of them have bogus-looking addresses (I have no idea how that happened). I need to clean it out, but until I actually figure out what I want to do with the newsletter, it seems like wasted effort.

  8. Hi Kris,
    I’m trying the newsletter thing, because one of my author friends has had huge success with it, in conjunction with Facebook ads.

    Facebook didn’t work so well for me, so I really like Instafreebie to grow the numbers. I wrote about the positives (lots of downloads by readers) and the negatives (they may get angry at you if you actually want them to buy a book):

    However, what I understand is that it’s best to give away the first book or two of a series and run a DRIP campaign, which is a series of e-mails sent periodically to each individual. I believe you’re looking for a certain kind of reader, one who enjoys interaction, or at least doesn’t mind it, and this helps convert them into a fan. I think everyone from Instafreebie is an avid reader, so you’re trying to climb to the top of their TBR pile, and an e-mail can certainly remind them that you’re alive. One wrote back to me and said, “Yes, I vaguely remember downloading that medical mystery. I’ll have to read it.”

    If it’s any comfort, these e-mails may go into the promotions folder, so they don’t see every e-mail from you. Sending an e-mail more than once a month is a numbers game.

    However, I find this sort of thing so tiring that even though I’ve now added over 3000 subscribers in a few months, I still haven’t set up a DRIP campaign, even though I have a new release on the 25th, so I should be leaning in, not out. Also, I’ve heard that my carrier, Mailerlite, loses subscribers during its DRIP campaign. Argh.

    The upside for me is that I’ve definitely made a few new fans from my mailing list, and they help keep up my spirits when it seems like there’s no point to writing, and I should go home and eat worms.

    Of course the best kind of mailing list is the one where readers buy your books, sign up out of sheer adulation, leave tons of five-star reviews, and never unsubscribe. For the rest of us mortals, I’ve compromised by adding more numbers to my list but not pummelling them with ads.

    Any way you slice it, a newsletter is a tool. As social media grows more crowded, it can be very powerful, especially if you know how to use it. I’m still learnin’, but I feel more comfortable using it to chat and connect. No big buy buttons, no giant ads. Just me talking about life, anything from fairy tales to resuscitation, and mentioning a special deal or two, but otherwise just getting to know people. One reader said the picture of me and my baby daughter made his day. My kids wearing squid balaclavas was an even bigger hit. So that’s fun. We’re all tired of target marketing and being treated like nothing but a wallet, myself included. The newsletter can be a respite from that instead of part of the noise.

    Thanks for your take on it.

  9. Most newsletters I get requests to sign up for don’t contain much more than I find on that person’s blog, or are thinly disguised ‘buy-me’ shills. Not all, of course, but I’ve chosen to use my ‘connect to authors/content’ time and energy reading blogs … like this one. 🙂

  10. I love the slice of history you present here, Kris. It was pretty fascinating. Thanks for that!

    As always, what I return to, whether it’s using Facebook, Twitter, or a newsletter is: how am I connecting to people? That needs to be my guide, no matter what.

    As for new fans vs old, I’m pretty much who I am with everyone – interested in magic, wonder, justice, and beauty. So I’ll keep trying to pass all that along.

  11. Dear Kristine,

    I get A LOT of authors’ newsletters (many of them come because I’ve entered some damn contest or other in hopes of winning a free book which I’d probably never have time to read anyway). Some I read, some I skim, some I delete after searching for the unsubscribe link. I get a lot from you, but I almost always read whatever you’ve sent in its entirety. Some days you inspire me to buy (I bought your ONE romance novel the other day after you wrote about it!), and some days you inspire me to contribute (I’d contribute regularly, except that I’m pretty much broke all the time and my son’s a high school junior hoping to go to college in a little more than a year). I’m working hard on finishing my first novel, so I keep a lot of what you write for the future, when I actually may have a writing career to manage. I’ve rambled, but I wanted to let you know as a reader, I always appreciate the bits of personal info you throw in (I, too, never seem to get my holiday greetings written when and how I plan to), and I always appreciate the professional experience and advice you share. So thank you. (Write on, McDuff!) Now I’m going to go file this with my other “writing” info.

    1. Thank you, Margaret, and thanks for the feedback! I know you’re on a budget…but I have romance novels as Kristine Grayson too. 🙂 I hope you’re enjoying the novel as you write. That’s the fun part. 🙂

  12. Instafreebe is the latest hot trend to get you on to newsletters. I didn’t figure that out until one them said so and was apologizing for it. I unsubscribe from them. I’m not one to start following like that. Newsletters make me cringe and I can see why writers do it but not for me. I don’t know if I will do it or not. Is it really that effective or as you say, it’s the new freebie. Not my cup of tea as a lot of this free stuff, I will ignore. I will probably unsubscribe from instafreebe as I get bombarded with them everyday, just like bookpub and ebooksoda. I’m also becoming disinterested in them. These free things for me are becoming a turn off.

  13. A major reason why I’ve resisted starting a newsletter (besides procrastination) is I’ve projected my own behavior AS A READER onto other readers. I’ve signed up for maybe a dozen newsletters. I never read them. Not one. I might peruse the first couple of entries, but that’s it. I don’t even unsubscribe, I just delete them. So I’m really surprised that they work for anyone.

    Meanwhile, blog subscriptions (like yours) I follow much more closely. Every time I get one, I read the teaser. If I like it, I follow through to the blog. If I don’t like it, THEN I stop reading them.

    1. Yes, just yes. My blog is where the chatty – ‘this is me’ – communication happens. I don’t write much about writing, but the people who visit my blog regularly also tend to be people who’ve read my work. The Amazon author ‘follow’ is the closest I’ll ever come to telling strangers about something new I’ve published. I know this is not ideal in terms of marketing, but it’s the best /I/ can do.

    2. Yet, this is a trap. I’m like you. I don’t subscribe to newsletters. Not a single one. Zip. Nada. If I reasoned like this, I would not have a newsletter.
      But after having been frustratedly milling around the promotion circuit with all the “rented lists”, yes, including the hallowed Bookbub, I’ve come to the conclusion that a newsletter is the cheapest promotion you can run.
      You have to decide what kind of newsletter to build:
      A back-end one is what Kris talks about here: you find it by signing up in the back of the book. It has all the known hallmarks: low signup rate, high open rate, low unsubscribe rate.
      A front-end newsletter is what you’d get with incentivised signups: free books, Facebook ads, competitions, Instafreebie. These lists are gigantic magnitudes bigger than the back-end lists, and initially have lower engagement and higher unsubscribes.
      The latter is how Mark Dawson (if you don’t know who this is, you should look him up) built his empire. He launches his books in the top 100 at Amazon with only his newsletter which he built 100% from people who signed up after having been given a free book through a Facebook ad.
      The “pride” that back-end-list writers will display about their low unsub rate is a bit misleading. If you have two lists, one is a thousand people and one is ten thousand, you send them the same email, list 1 generates 100 sales and list 2 generates 150 sales, where which would you rather have? That’s a no-brainer. Really, lists are not defined by open rates and retention stats. They are defined by: sales of new release notice from the list – cost of running the list.
      You can do a lot to:
      1. engage inorganic signups, increasing buys
      2. reduce the cost of running a large list
      I repeat: the mailing list game is not defined by either your open or retention rate.
      I started working seriously on a front-end newsletter about two years ago. First I did it wrong (long story, and it gets a bit nasty, so I won’t share it) but after having seen Mark’s approach, I decided to do something similar. I have two lists. Also a long story, but basically it separates people into the reasons why they signed up and they get two vastly different newsletters.
      Once people sign up they get a few emails every second week about my books (never ever ever assume that people who sign up, even organically, have read all, or even any, of your books–I know, I don’t get this either, but just stop assuming what people do based on your own behaviour).
      Then they get an email every two weeks with something newsy about my books, something about other writers, something cool about facts that I’m using. I rarely post to my blog anymore. I put this stuff in my newsletters.
      Anyway. After about a year and a half of doing this, I get a lot of feedback. I ask people questions, they help me suggest titles. I ask them if they have a nice name that I can use as character in a book etc etc.
      Another mistake about these lists that people make is that they don’t realise it takes time to turn freebie downloaders into dedicated readers. Often a year or more.
      But this year I will break through the six figures earned from my writing. It is 100% due to having this list.
      Last month, I launched a new book. It’s book 7 in a series, so a really crummy place to start promoting. My personal list is 10,000. I sold 700 books. Almost none of these people are back-of-book signups. It’s also the smaller of my two lists.
      I’m pretty happy with that.

      1. Correction, Patty. I’m talking about both kinds of lists, not just back of the book lists. The list for readers is back of the book. That’s what I called the old-fashioned way of doing it in the blog. What you’re calling an incentivized list I’m calling an ad circular. Same thing.

        So what you’ve said here is what I said in my piece. In fact, you reiterated the point of my piece. You need different newsletters for these two different lists. Newsletters are advertising. You need to know what kind of reader you’re advertising to.

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